I was selling a Sony VAIO 4.5 on E-Bay and someone by the alias of David William bid and won the computer, then they sent a fake Paypal invoice. I thought I would play along and and see where it got me. In the end I got a $100 down payment out of the $1900, but it took a LOT of emails. I obviously didn’t overly value my time
I did re-sell it, and it was another fraudulent transaction, but that is a story for another time.
Subject: RE: You’ve received an answer to your question about item Sony VAIO 4.5 COMPANION PC VGNUX27GN
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:47:24 -0400
David_Willy
I’ll like to inform you that I have made the payment via Paypal right now. I have include the shipping funds for express shipment via DHL, UPS or Fedex to the Paypal confirmed shipping address.
Email me as soon as you have send it out first thing in the morning.
Hope to read back from you soon.
David
David_Dobson
Has been sent- DHL tracking n# has been emailed through to the paypal address
Regards
David_Willy
What is the DHL tracking number? I’ll like you to email it to me as well
David_Willy
I’m still waiting for you to email me the shipment tracking number
David_Dobson
David,
Please find attached a copy of the connote DHL# 161 4846 041
I just had a call from DHL saying I need to pay export duty/tax of $118. If you could pay this to my paypal account so I can forward it onto DHL then it should clear customs tomorrow.
Regards
David_Willy
David, I’ll like you to try as much as possible to get over to DHL in other for them to clear custorm tomorrow. I promise to send you $200 as soon as I get home. I’m indispose to make the payment for you right now.
Kindly go ahead to get the money over to the DHL right now as I promise to credit your account with the amount of $200 as soon as I get back home. Let me know as soon as you have done that.
I’ll also like to inform you that the tracking number you sent me is not working.. Please check it at DHL yourself.
David Williams
David_Willy
I’ll also like to know when the DHL will deliever the package?
David_Dobson
Sorry, I don’t have and am not willing to use my money to get the Sony released. The money you have paid via Paypal is being held in trust so i cant use that until the item has been delivered. If you can do an instant Paypal transfer for the $118 (thanks for the offer of $200 but its ok) it will get released when I transfer it through to them.
After giving them a call, the reason it is not able to be tracked on the website is because it has not been processed yet because there is a duty/tax owing on it. It will get delivered in 2-3 days from when it is released.
Regards
David_Willy
Like I told you before sending you the money is not what I’m talking about now, But I can’t do the transfer presently where I am. I guess you should understand me. I promise you that I’m going to send you the money. Just talk to DHL to release the laptop now before they close for the day
David_Dobson
I am sorry, but unless you can put the funds through the it is going to have to wait.
Regards
David_Willy
Ok. why don’t you have to send it via EMS if they are demanding more money for the shipment…this taking too long for the shipment
David_Dobson
It does not matter who i send it through from here, as it is customs who require the money. Would it help if you could direct deposit into my bank account?
Regards
David_Willy
Why don’t you want to understand and beleive me, I told you ealier that I’m in a conference right now I’m unable to transfer any money for now. Just trust me that I’ll send all your money as soon as I get home. Trust me for this.
Call them to release the package today. This is taken too long for the present I want to use the laptop for.
I’m sending it to a friend as a birthday gift.
David WIlliams
David_Dobson
David,
I am sorry, but past experience has shown me that I should wait for the money. This has been taking too long and if you cant get someone else to put the money through for you then I shall have it returned to me and relisted on Ebay.
My account details are
*** Bank (Australia)
BSB# ***-***
ACC#*********
Name:*****************
Regards
David_Willy
If I can do the transfer now I would have love to transfer it for you… I guess another thing you can do is to inform DHL to bill my friend for the money. This is possible for them to do.
Call DHL right now inform them… But I will be happy if you can just trust me with my worlds.
David_Dobson
DHL needs the money upfront for the item to get processed. If you don’t agree to transfer the money across in your next reply I simply will get the Sony returned from DHL. I am sorry, but that is how it is.
Regards
David_Willy
Why don’t you understand me… I agreed to send you the payment. But for now there is no way for me to send the money try to understand me, Let chat online now so that I can explain to you better
David_Willy
Can we chat online now via MSN messenger. I have add you to chat with you now
David_Dobson
I do not have MSN on my computer- its linux. Either send the money through or I will relist the item. If you can transfer the money through tomorrow that will be fine but the parcel wont get released until tomorrow but you MUST agree to send the money through before I will pay DHL.
Regards
David_Willy
Ok, I’ll inform paypal to make your total money $2,100 now. as soon as you get the payment confirmation today I want you to inform dhl to release the package today
David_Dobson
So long as the extra is instant transfer and not being held that is fine
Regards
David_Willy
David I’m not holding the money, Paypal is holding the money in other for them to confirmed the shipment. as soon as they have confirm the shipment paypal is going to credit your account immediately.
This is for security reasons. If you have email the tracking number to paypal and they have confirmed the shipment from DHL they will credit your account, But if they are unable to confirm it…
Let me know if you have email the tracking number to Paypal yet?
David
David_Dobson
Yes i have emailed it through- i understand that they are holding that money and that is fine. What i need for you to do is to transfer the extra for…. Mate, if its not there in a couple of hours don’t worry about the whole transaction.
Regards
David_Willy
David is all ready late here, I cannot do any transfer here today because it’s late all ready.
David_Dobson
If you are going to do it tomorrow let me know.
At this point he found I had relisted the Vaio
David_Willy
220245447024 ….. why did you tell me that you have send the laptop out for me before?
David_Dobson
I did, but you would not pay the export duty/tax, so i called up DHL and had it returned.
Regards
David_Willy
So can you take it to EMS for shipment today? They are not collecting any duty tax…. David you don’t want to understand me. This is not good you have to pity people some time.
I just told you that I’m in a conference and I promise to send you the money… why don’t you beleive me. Take it to EMS for express shipment now
David_Dobson
When I do the customs declaration, NO MATTER WHO I send it through, there will be a tax by the Australian government for any goods sold overseas valued at over $1000.
I am willing to send it again IF you transfer that $118 through to my bank account- NOT paypal.
I am willing to accept the payment for the sony through Paypal.
When the $118 clears then i will send it.
Regards
David_Willy
I need your bank account info right now… My friend will send you $100 to it.
David_Dobson
Bendigo Bank (Australia)
BSB# ***-***
ACC#**************
Name: D Dobson
David_Willy
Please kindly pack it ready for the shipment as soon as you have confirm the payment. I don’t want you to delay it again this time
David_Dobson
It is still packed from before. When the money is through ill send it and pay the duties at the same time.
Regards
David_Willy
Just want to inform you that the money has been sent out to your bank account info. Please confirm this and post the laptop out first thing in the morning
David_Dobson
I just checked and has not come through yet. Hopefully tomorrow morning then we can get it organised
David_Willy
Let me know what is going on since you have the payment now
David_Dobson
Are you trying to con me? I have just checked with paypal and they have said the invoice that you sent through to me was fake. If you want this computer please send through payment for it.
Regards
David_Willy
This is an international payment paypal policy, as soon as you send the shipment proof to paypal they will immediately credit your account…Is the money in your account now
David_Dobson
I forwarded the paypal invoice to paypal and they said it was a phishing scam. As it was supposedly sent by them they would know if it was real or not, and they said not.
Have a nice day
Regards
David_Willy
Send the money back to the account you receive it from now.. email me the transfer confirmation slip as soon as you have transfer the money back
David_Dobson
If your telling me that the paypal invoice that i received was real then i shall email paypal and double check that they were not wrong. Was it a real paypal invoice?
regards
David_Willy
FOr me to transfer funds into your account without konwing you that is a trust…I don’t no why you refuse to trust me as well…I can assure you that as soon as you send the laptop out you will have your payment
David_Dobson
Is the paypal invoice real?
The only thing that I trust is the fact that you tried to rip me off by getting me to send the laptop to you without you paying paypal first.
You pay, I send. Thats how it works.
David_Willy
Ok, can you refund the money to the bank account if you don’t trust me
David_Dobson
I will take that amount as a down payment for the Sony. The auction has 1 day and 20 hours left. Please organize the remainder of the money to be transfered to me before then.
David_Willy
If you send the laptop out I promise you that you will have the payment ASAP
David_Dobson
What account number would you like it deposited into?
David_Willy
Account Name- Mr Brock James Warren
Account Number- 655556
BSB- 732-621
Bank name- Westpac Austalia
But I promise you that you will have the payment if you are able to ship the laptop out for me today… Just trust me and I can assure you about this. Go ahead to make the shipment now
David_Dobson
Did your mother ever teach you it was wrong to lie, cheat and steal? If I get the rest of the money before auction end then I shall send it out.
David_Willy
Just transfer the money back and send me the confirmation slip
David_Dobson
You tried to rip me off. I am giving you the opportunity to make up for your dishonesty so far. Buy it by paying for it first as what is supposed to be done.
David_Willy
I’m not trying to rip you off…If you don’t trust me send the money back. If you can trust me then go ahead to make the shipment before dhl will close for the day. I sent you money base on trust. If I want to rip you I’ll never send any money to you.
Just trust me.
David_Dobson
No I don’t trust you. I somehow don’t think that someone who sends a seller a fake paypal receipt will willingly send money out for goods received.
If you send through another $100 then that would go along way for my ego to trust you.
David_Willy
If you can ship the laptop out today via DHL and you give me the tracking number I’ll send you the $100. But if I don’t send it to you you can call your laptop back from dhl
David_Dobson
Money first. Have a nice day.
David_Willy
how am I sure you are going to send the laptop when you have the payment
David_Dobson
Make the next payment $200. Money first. Have a nice day.
David_Willy
Why did you say $200 again.. but you just told me $100 now
David_Dobson
Because I don’t trust you.
David_Willy
Man I hate when you say you don’t trust me…I made the payment via Paypal but if you don’t trust me that is left to you.. I’m still filling a big case with paypal right now on that issue.
After sending you money you don’t trust me again? Can a scammer send you money? Man I’m real I have my name to protect. Go ahead to post the laptop and I promise you your money
David_Dobson
I dont trust you. If you transfer another $200 as part payment then I will send it. I will not stop the auction for you, but if the money comes through by monday the I shall send it out to you.
David_Willy
I can only afford to send you $100 for it now
David_Dobson
That will do for a start- dont delay the payment.
David_Willy
I want to know if you are going to ship it out if I send another $100 for you
David_Dobson
Unless i get it tomorrow i shall send it to the ebay winner- get a move on.
David_Willy
Just want to know if you have ship the laptop out for me by now
David_Dobson
You have not transferred the money through so now i am waiting for the winner of the auction to send me the money so i can send it out to them. If your trying to beat them to paying me then hurry up about it.
David_Willy
WIll you ship it out if I transfer the $100
David_Dobson
Yes I will ship it out but you had better hurry up and do it NOW. Once you receive it please let the remainder of the money through
David_Willy
I want to know if you have ship it out
David_Dobson
No, I am awaiting payment. You had better hurry up about it.
David_Willy
I guess you don’t want to send the money back to me, I’ll need to report this to ebay and police as I have the transfer slip with me. Make sure you get back to me before I go ahead to report this
David_Dobson
When you report it, can you please enclose your FAKE Paypal invoice.
Regards
David_Willy
That mean you want to scam me? you don’t want to refund the money I presume
David_Dobson
I did not scam anyone.
Correct me if I am wrong, YOU that sent me the FAKE PAYPAL invoice.
I am awaiting payment from you so I can send this Sony to you. When you send me the full amount of money, then I will send the Sony to you. You have mucked me around way too much so far. If you are not going to send me the balance owing then you will not get the Sony.
Good day Sir
David_Willy
Just want to know if you have transfer the money yet
David_Dobson
No I have not.
David_Willy
when are you going to send the money back?
David_Willy
Just want to know when you are going to send the money
David_Willy
Just want to know when you are going to send the money
David_Willy
when are you going to transfer the money?
David_Willy
I guess you don’t want to send the money again, I’ll be force to report you to the police and ebay for a fruad
David_Willy
I guess the next thing for me to do is to report to ebay, FBI and AU police with proof of the payment transfer into your bank… I’ll also need to report to your bank that you are a fraud
David_Willy
guess I have given you alot of time to return my money… when are you going to send the money back?
David_Willy
